Portland OR: IND-PHI to KC-OAK
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November 2, 2010 at 3:27 pm
2010 week 9
raiders on in socal! sweet
How the TV games are set up:
The primary market is tied to their team’s road and home sell outs.
If the home team is playing on national TV (NFL Network, NBC, ESPN, or thanksgiving games) they will get 3 games on Sunday afternoon. Seeing their home team play is still subject to the 72 hr blackout rule.
If the home team is playing on the road that market will get three games. The secondary markets must televise the road games. Its not required for these markets, but many of them do….The opposite network of the home team—- FOX (AFC teams) or CBS (NFC teams)—-will air a game in a different time slot to maximize their ratings. The only way they air a game in direct competition is when they have to because the home team is not on the doubleheader network for that week or there is one of those must see games for the week.
For example this past week in DC since Washington played on the road at Detroit and CBS had only one game, the CBS affiliate opted to take the late game.
Under the rules If the home games sell out it is shown exclusively. The one exception is week one because CBS has just 1 game due to the 4pm Mens Tennis final at the US Open.
The secondary markets, of which the home teams can claim, must show road games. They do not have to show home game sell outs BUT they can not show home games theat did not sell out.
The primary markets when their team plays at home will get only 2 games…one on each network (CBS. FOX) and one in each slot (1 pm, 4pm).
The only way the primary market will get an additional third game is when:
1. The home game is a sell out in time —thus it is shown exclusively with no competition (outside of week 1).
2. The network with the TV rights (which is the visiting team) also must have a double header that weekend.
For example last week Jacksonville @ Dallas on CBS…FOX had the doubleheader so even though #1 is true…#2 wasn’t (FOX had the doubleheader) ….In Boston since Minnesota @ New England was a sell out AND FOX had the doubleheader…Boston got 3 games because FOX had the doubleheader.
HOW ARE THE GAMES DECIDED IN AIRING ON TV.
First the networks suggest to their affiliates what game they feel would get the best ratings in that area. Higher ratings mean more revenue from advertisers…both for the network and for the local TV market for their ad slots in games.
But the network HQ in New York and Los Angles live in bubbles so they don’t seem to realize who want to see hwat games.
The local affiliate if they are not tied to a team as a primary or secondary market are free to choose which games they want to air because of local interest in a game. For example this year Oklahoma City has picked up many of the St Louis games because of the local boy Sam Bradford who grew up there and played for Oklahoma who now played for St Louis.
Austin picked up a Cleveland game (Colt McCoy) and Redding CBS affiliate picked the only game they could carry of hometown boy Aaron Rodgers play for the Packers when they hosted Buffalo. I also will not be surprised if the FOX or CBS affiliates in Buffalo and Syracuse opts to pick up a Tampa Bay game this season because of rookie WR Mike Williams who played for Syracuse and who grew up in Buffalo.
There are what I would call tertiary markets…market that tend to air all games of a nearby team but they aren’t governed by sell outs. Some examples:
Seattle: Spokane, Yakima, Tri-cities, Portland.
San Fran/Oakland: Redding, Reno, Fresno, Santa Barbara
Denver: Salt Lake City, Albuquerque, Grand Junction, Cheyenne, Casper.
San Diego/Arizona: Yuma, AZ
Detroit: Grand Rapids, Traverse City, Marquette
Buffalo: Elmira, Binghamton, Watertown
New England: All markets not primary or secondary in New England.
as long as socal get’s OAK @ PGH on 21st.
Based on records…I see Houston @ Jets being the early 1pm game on CBS that gets the #2 team and will be most of the nation.
did oakland sell out its game?
RAIDERS IN L.A. !!!!
Once again this SUX. Have the cowgirls and the donks forced on us all the time, and instead of the KC-Oak game we get Indy- Philly? If we really have to watch the donks because of the fans, why not division games?
You guys have it all wrong, AFC West leading CHIEFS! in SoCal. Sweet…
Poor Raiders fans, you don’t wanna see what we’re gonna do to you.
Any other team in the league after those two games the Raiders played would sell out their next home game against a division rival.
mid 60s is a smal stadium in the NFL in terms of tickets to sell.
What does it take for them to sell out a game…amazing…
The KC Raider game should be national because of the rivalry, not Colts at Philly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please!
Raider vs KC should be the national hit right now.
Especially in Wisconsin
Nice, Raiders in SoCal….. AND ITS KEVIN HARLAN!!!!!!!!!!
As usual, Texas is red
Raiders will be blacked out again in the Bay Area. I wish that wasn’t the case but I know it’s all but a done deal as of tonight.
Not sure what that does to the surrounding markets but the Bay Area will be left out again.
Those of us that know how, see every Raiders blacked out game there has been. It’s easy.
Besides the bad economy, and the recent poor play of the team, a huge segment of the tech savvy Bay Area fans know what to do when they want to see the game the NFL thinks they have disconnected. This, along with the ticket prices is one of the reasons the games are not selling out. I’m not saying it’s right, but I am saying that’s why it is. Laid off some time ago, I can’t afford to shell out the money to go to the game, but I will do what I need to do (and again, it’s simple) to see the game in full HD.
The reasons Indy-Philly is the national game:
1. This matchup occurs once every four years-Chiefs/Raiders is a twice every year matchup
2. Manning vs. Vick a matchup many people (not necessarily everyone) wants to see considering three years ago when they were supposed to meet on Thanksgiving Vick-well we know what happened then.
3. The Chiefs and Raiders are doing better than expected, but some people just aren’t drinking the Kool-Aid yer, but it is going to a decent side of the country.
p.s.-If one game ends up a blowout and the other ends up competitive, the markets with no immediate interest could always switch mid-game.
Also, I think this is CBS’ only chance to show the Eagles if I remember correctly.
You are correct. Texans @ Eagles is on NFLN later this season.
Oakland will get only 2 games which means it will likely lose the early CBS game.
Monterey and Sacremento are the secondary markets that need to flip to indy @ philly.
Both networks feature who they think are going to be good teams for interconference matchups. With scheduling FOX/CBS will not lose both.
Love them or hate them…Dallas is popular which is why CBS used the Titans game there as their 4:15 feature…same for the Jaguars game last week because its Dallas.
They also know Washington, Philadelphia, and New York are also large cities with teams that do have fans around the country so if those teams are potentially good going into the season they will festure those games and make sure they have one.
Another example…Indy @ Washington was on national tv…so Houston @ washington early was a 4:15 game.
Remember these schedules were set up in April based on what…how teams did last season. With the schedule makers they usally have an interconference 4:15 game along with a west divisional rivalary game at 4:15.
Update from Oakland. Raiders beat writer, Jerry McDonald, says tickets are “selling briskly” and if enough get sold by Thursday the Raiders could ask for an extension. The total opposite of what I had heard previously and I’m glad t be incorrect and hope I end up 100% wrong.
In the past when the Raiders have reported “brisk” sales, they have usually gotten the job done. Guess we will have to wait and see.
I just don’t understand why LA has to be subjected to two teams with soft schedules that won’t make any impact down the road (the winner will most likely win the division and get crushed in the first round). Instead of Manning vs. Vick, we get to suffer Campbell vs. Cassel, two QB’s unceremoniously dismissed from the East.
@Mop: What’s not to understand? L.A. has more Raiders fans than any other team. Not only that, but the Raiders/Chiefs game is going to be the better game. Watching Manning make Vick look like the joke of a QB he really is, isn’t worth watching. Go cry about it at the local bar if you don’t like it. I’m sure they’ll have Sunday Ticket. Vick is hardly an elite QB, and is bottom of the league at best. Don’t let his recent play fool you.
Also, the Raiders don’t exactly have a “soft schedule” as you claim.
@MOP SHUT UP !!! YOUR THE SOLE PERSON IN L.A. THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT. NOBODY HERE WANTS TO HEAR YOU WHINE, GO TO A SPORTS BAR OR LAS VEGAS FOR THE WEEKEND AND U CAN SEE YOUR GAME.
Agreed. Let’s not turn this into a “your team sucks, my team rules” forum. That’s not what this is here for as far as I can tell and it’s friggin kidstuff.
@Mop. Hit the sports bar if you’re old enough. That’s where you can see any game you want. Subscribe to Sunday Ticket or watch NFL Redzone, or, find your game for free on the internet if you’re under 21. Every game is online on pirate sites. It’s easy. But don’t cry about it here. No one here has any control over what airs and what doesn’t.
Its going to be a good CBS Sunday of football with the Jets @ Lions but most of the country will get a good game with the Dolphins @ Ravens.
Then you got Payton Manning in Philly or the game I really want to see which is the Chiefs and Raiders. I really want to see the KC @ OAK game more than IND @ PHI.
I might not even watch FOX that much this week.
Hey BornInOakland, where are you watching the blacked out games in HD? all the streams I find are low quality.
Not great distribution here. TX, ND, and the rest of the red Rocky mtn states should be getting the Chiefs-Raiders. This is a classic rivalry with a lot of history here. Should be an easy east-west split with western teams in the west and eastern teams in the east.
Sorry guys, but I agree with MOP. The raiders are not a real contender, gimme a break. Would not be surprised if they lay a major egg this week. Give me Manning vs Vick over Campbell vs Cassel 365 days a year!!
Who cares who’s supposed to announce it.These are the rules that drive everyone crazy.It’s petty politics.The league will cont. to alienate the fans of ALL teams…well we’ll c.OAK has knocked PGH out of the playoffs the last 2 times they’ve played them…but that’s irrelevant?
And when did Oakland knock out Pittsburgh in the playoffs???
If Oakland is able to hold up as this season goes on…
weeks 12, 14, 16, and 17 are weeks where NBC will change games based on how teams are now.
It looks like week 16 is the best shot
currently NBC has San Diego @ Cincinati where they will give up and take either
tennessee @ Kansas City or
Indianapolis @ Oakland
depends on the better matchup based on records. CBS can only protect one.
There is still uncertainty with both teams because they lost to teams they expected to lose to and have beaten teams they expected to beat.
I’m surprised so many people are getting KC/Oakland. Seems like Manning/Vick would be a no-brainer in most places.
Pgh losing at OAK in ‘06 & OAK winning @ Heinz last yr ostensibly knocked the Steelers out.I forgot to qualify my assertion,sorry.Hope it get’s flexed,thx 4 the info as always.
@ Paul…those werent playoff games though.
@Sean the markets getting the KC @ Oakland are traditional AFC West markets. Denver and San Diego are picking it up because its a division rivalry game.
I am surprised that other traditional Denver markets arent picking up the game (Salt Lake City, albuquerque, MT, WY)
I never said they were actual playoff games…I got a good idea…NEVER the %^%$&#!! MIND I don’t care anyway.
Hopefully Vick can finish the game this time-Last time he was part of a ballyhooed 4:15 game he didn’t finish and I wound up flipping back and forth between CBS and FOX-the Indy/Jax game that week was good BTW.
I think it would be very helpful if your map more clearly delineated each state’s border lines. I live in Santa Fe, NM and for the weekend of Nov. 7 I am unable to ascertain which games will be televised in my town.
For the CBS early game is it Miami @ Balt. or SD @ Houston?
For the CBS late game is it Colts @ Eagles or KC @ Oakland?
Looks like Oakland is going to sellout for the first time since Week 1, 2009
Not going to teach you geography. You should know where you live on the map and what city is your tv market.
Since you are Santa Fe your market is albuquerque. albuquerque is on the map…what color is there is the game you get.
lol seriously dude, the map cant get any easier to read
Raiders blackout officially lifted this afternoon for the Bay Area. They will be on local television.
We’d rather see the game of the week! PHILLY vs. INDY. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE RAIDERS. LAME. YOU SUCK, FOX
I mean… CBS. YOU suck. FOX would have been all over this Indy/Philly matchup.
@ Sean, I understand your point but the Chiefs-Raiders is long time division rivalry and should be a no brainer for the western half of the country.
Good to see Portland, OR and area has switched to the AFC West battle. The rest of the west such as eastern Wash ID, UT, NV, and AZ should switch too. Wake up.
(from Simsbury, CT) “If I get Seyton Manning shoved in my face one more time, I’m gonna puke!” Really, KC vs OAK should be the national game without Nantz and Sims. Kevin Harlan you are the best!
Why is the OT of the NY/Detroit game on instead of the KC/Oakland game which was actually SCHEDULED?????
Why would you show the OT of a game that wasn’t even scheduled????
Why won’t you show the Colts game as scheduled. i don’t care about OT for det and jets. If you aren’t going to show the 1 game I want to watch, will you at least unblock Directv Sunday Ticket’s channel so that I can see it there? I just want to see the game.
I live in Mpls. Why am I not getting the Colts game? Why am I getting Jets vs Lions OT?
I was wondering why CBS 2 (Los Angeles) showed the ending of the Jets @ Lions game? I thought NFL rules prohibit showing bonus coverage of a game after 4:15 ET. I know for a fact that CBS 5 (Bay Area) would not have been allowed to show the ending of that game, as they have to leave bonus coverage at 1:15 PT for the opening kickoff of KC/OAK, we did not get to this game until 1:30 PT. I know most of the time that the studio show will explain the rule on why they have to leave bonus coverage, because Jets @ Lions was a bonus coverage game in Los Angeles that went past the 4:15 ET time limit.
I don’t think that was a decision on the part of CBS 2. They are obligated to stay with that game no matter what bonus coverage the network gives them.
WKRC 12 here in Cincy also showed the Jets @ Lions game as bonus coverage to its completion.
I e-mailed WKRC 12 asking why they did this, and the response I got was the same thing I just explained to you. Now had the Bengals played @ 4:15 yesterday, then WKRC 12 would have had to leave the Jets @ Lions coverage to show the opening kickoff of the Bengals.
I am wondering if CBS f’d-up. The rules are aon doubleheader weekends bonus coverage only goes till 4:10pm and 4:15 on nondoubleheader games.
If they switched before the conclusion of the Ravens game due to competative reasons then they can stick with the game.
If it were bonus coverage they were supposed to switch to the other game at 4:10.
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